Comments on: Quote of the Week: Spirit In Action Is Freedom & Creativity

By: Aliya

Aliya — Fri, 05 Nov 2010 20:56:06 +0000

Dear Frank,

You must be a man of imagination – “comprehending” ego, “comprehensive” Ego.

Let me tell you a joke:
”What’s the idea,” asked the boss of his new employee, Mulla Nasrudin, ”of telling me you had five years’ experience, when now I find you never had a job before?”
”Well,” said Nasrudin, ”didn’t you advertise for a man with imagination?”

As far as I know Enlihtennext never advertised for imagination:)

By: Frank Luke

Frank Luke — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:15:50 +0000

Aliya, re: “The “personal” is connected to nothing else but to the ego.”

I wonder if you can recognize that a Spiritual Awakening which lays aside the personal ego and assumes a more comprehending and comprehensive Ego is possible or if that’s not something you can endorse and/or can understand? What can you offer re: Enlightened Beings who attain this level of consciousness and behavior?

By: Frank Luke

Frank Luke — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 17:08:24 +0000

Aliya re: “I wonder for the reason which hides behind the fact that every question you ask contents a denying preface first. If you first deliberately attack and reject the person you want to ask, will you ever listen to his/her answers?”

If we note a majority of your comments this seems a characterization of what you yourself are practing. Self-examine, you’ll maybe see the truth of this if you aren’t so defensive as is your usual practice.

Re: “The “personal” is connected to nothing else but to the ego.”

By: david

david — Tue, 02 Nov 2010 10:31:21 +0000

Perhaps the idea of creating numerous distinctions between higher levels, lower levels, personal and universal is all part of this confusion we’re dabbling in here?

Surely Frank you know that there’s no universal report card that marks us from A to Z? That’s wonderful, I’m sure if you’ve convinced yourself you sit somewhere closer to the A’s but the universal in us all – imagined as a cranky primary school teacher waiting with a cane in her right hand is rather funny.

It’s sure to be that way if we choose to see it in those terms.

The “wanting” that you mentioned also shares it’s existence with the shadow of despising. You want something else because you despise what you are… that’s not always the fastest way to get where you really want to go. It’s more like a long vacation from yourself, which is not a bad thing at all.

It’s just one of our many impressions through experience, which ultimately is closest to what all this dabbling is about to begin with.

As all in all Frank, you are more me as I you than us not. You see?

By: Aliya

Aliya — Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:56:33 +0000

Referring to your statement, Nada, that “If everyone is perfect as they are, as you proclaim”, it shows you miss the essential point of my words.
I have always insisted on the existential fact that each and every human being is a master piece of God, utterly unique and authentic. (I never use the word perfect as far as being is concerned. Only dead things are perfect.) However, as you are right now, identified with your own mind prejudices and past conditioning, you are not connected to your innermost core being. You are nothing else but mind inhibitions and it has been your own choice to neglect your own being and to identify yourself with your mind and its product the ego.
A simple understanding of this fact through witnessing/meditation will help you to slip out of your false illusions and to fall back into your true nature. This is not what you call the doing, the ego determined will for achievement, but a simple act of understanding.

By: Aliya

Aliya — Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:41:22 +0000

Dear Frank,

The “personal” is connected to nothing else but to the ego. Personality is what has been given to you by your mind conditioning, by the others in you. The personal is what hankers for achievements, desires, ambitions, endlessly attempting for this and that. The individual vice versa is your own flowering of being. The individual is connected to planetary and also to whole the Universe and Existence itself.
Individual is what knows that to change the world you have to change yourself first. Only by changing yourself will all the rest change, too.

By: Aliya

Aliya — Mon, 01 Nov 2010 18:06:44 +0000

Dear Nada,

As far as we have been discussing meditation, there is nothing incorrect in my statement that meditation is witnessing, awareness. But you are so eager to accuse me incorrect, that you constantly project on my words. Be aware that the tactics you try to use have been the really incorrect one. First you distort my words and then you contradict your own made distortions. It seems to be the only way for you to oppose me:)

As for the state of Tathata or Nonduality, which you try to conceptualize here about, it comes out of witnessing provided you are a totally surrendered and accepting witness of what is. This state requires a total transcendence of the mind interpretations, projections and desires. Including of your mind interpretations of what witnessing is. I understand that for you witnessing can only be from the mind. And of course, where the mind is, duality is. No-duality is No-mind. Tathata, suchness, is the ultimate flowering of religion, it is the supreme achievement. It is total acceptance or choiceless awareness. Whatsoever happens, one is open and agreeable to it. Only such an individual can become totally silent, because even a little bit of resentment can prolong the restlessness. One’s restlessness and tension will continue to remain if he carries even a small degree of complaint. Even the slightest idea, “It didn’t happen the way it should have,” and the tension will continue to persist.

The experience of supreme silence, the experience of the greatest freedom from tension, and that of the ultimate liberation is possible only in the state of tathata. However, only a man going deeper into witnessing can bring him to the state of tathata. One who has not yet known what being a witness means can never know what total acceptance is.

By: Frank Luke

Frank Luke — Mon, 01 Nov 2010 16:39:11 +0000

I take your comments to endorse the idea of personal development but it is a touch and go matter. I think it really depends on personal objectives and a matter of wanting to get to a higher level of consciousness by asking good questions and trying to obtain helpful info which abounds on the internet and everywhere, if you are attuned to spiritual counsel that answers existential questions that are your concern.

Best wishes in developing!

By: David

David — Mon, 01 Nov 2010 02:16:13 +0000

Does the statement:

“as the spontaneous expression of a liberated heart and mind and as the practice of evolutionarily enlightened living.” ?

A: Make you confused
B: Liberate you because you know this exists to help you remember you were less confused to begin with

Who waits for an action and thought to occur? They all happen freely. Even when you stumble, it’s spontaneous. Our expressions are already liberated from the definitions and purposes we try to give them. Evolution happens but we’re only stalling it when try to activate it – it’s kind of like turning on the ignition when you’re already driving

(CRRRRRRRR) – one hideous sound!

By: Frank Luke

Frank Luke — Sat, 30 Oct 2010 17:01:09 +0000

Aliya, re: “If you first deliberately attack and reject the person you want to ask, will you ever listen to his/her answers?”

I wonder if you are aware that this is exactly what you often seem to be doing and your comments seem to be promulgating your firm beliefs w/o considering what your interlocutor(s) say?