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By: Aliya

Aliya — Mon, 14 Jun 2010 07:02:24 +0000

To be a witness, neither hot nor cold, does not mean to be passive. It means to witness, watch, to be alert about your hot or cold feelings, thoughts and other mind stuff. To be a witness means to be aware, conscious about your mind games. Once you have unidentified yourself from the mind play you automatically fall into your center of being. Then whatever you do is out of your true inner nature, whatever you act is out of your totality. When you act totally, wholeheartedly, from the center of your being, not poisoned by your mind, you cannot be superficial and lukewarm anymore. Then you are yourself, authentic and utter individuality – the way Jesus was authentic and utterly himself.

By: Caroline Hitch

Caroline Hitch — Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:52:22 +0000

Aliya,

Where are you getting that about Jesus? In complete contradistinction to your claim, Jesus was hot and most certainly not a passive witness!

By: Aliya

Aliya — Wed, 09 Jun 2010 16:40:40 +0000

“Be Ye Neither Hot Nor Cold” – Jesus has told you the same non duality truth about yourself as I keep telling you – remain a witness, remain detached and aloof – “neither hot nor cold”.
Only when you remain a witness you will come to know who the real doer is.

P.S Thank you for bringing the beautiful revelation.

By: Aliya

Aliya — Sun, 06 Jun 2010 05:24:04 +0000

Here again, you are caught in thinking, Caroline! Thinking and drawing wrong conclusions. Come back to your inner center!
“Be Ye Neither Hot Nor Cold” – Jesus has told you the same non duality truth about yourself as I keep telling you – remain a witness, remain detached and aloof – “neither hot nor cold”.

P.S Thank you for bringing the beautiful revelation.

By: Caroline Hitch

Caroline Hitch — Sat, 05 Jun 2010 23:50:11 +0000

Aliya,

I guess you could say that I’m one of those lucky ones. My early years were deprived somewhat of stimulation so I never did develop this “mind chatter” that you talk about. In fact, I find that I’m not much different than my cat–we relate in the same way, in immediate sensory knowing. I rarely find myself thinking during the day and I have no ability to picture images. But because of this something else kicked in–my neurons, not finding anything laterally to connect to, went down instead and deep, like the roots of a tree in search of water.

That is why I don’t buy a thing you say–because you are not coming from Center, but rather doing everything you can to escape from it. All I can say is, get in touch with your feelings. You will probably have to dig pretty deep to find any, but only then will you begin to know who you are.

Neo Advaita is a lie. There is a doer and that doer is Existence, of which we and all else, IS. And what do you suppose moves Existence? Is it a passive witnessing of the present moment? A desireless watchfulness? I don’t think so. Revelations 3:15-16: Be Ye Neither Hot Nor Cold, I Spew Ye Out of My Mouth!

By: Aliya

Aliya — Sat, 05 Jun 2010 20:24:24 +0000

Dear Caroline,
Living in the Here and Now is not different from consciousness. These are two different expressions of the same thing.
So when I am in the Here and Now, my consciousness is (of) that Here and Now. I remain alert, watchful, witnessing the present moment here – whatever it happens to be, whatever I may be doing in this present moment – I just remain the watcher, distant, aloof, not identified with anything around or in my mind. I remain well centered and rooted within my being. By remaining a pure witness of whatever there is, without judging or appraising, without verbalizing my feelings or passing thoughts, but only watching them, I remain crystalized and integrated being. It is like an arrow with two ends – one end is always remaining centered within me and the other end of the arrow goes to the object of observation. It is not that I loose myself by projecting all my attention onto the outer objects, but rather I always keep an awareness of the seer, not only of the seen.
I have already talked much especially for you about this watchfulness. And I may continue talking, however, it is up to you to start experiencing it. In the beginning it may be difficult – you will be caught again and again into the web of the chattering mind, thoughts will go on taking you hither and tither. It is enough that you realize in a moment that once again you have been caught in thinking. Realizing it is enough you to get out of the thoughts. Slowly slowly thoughts will become lesser and lesser and the gaps of awareness and centeredness into your being will be longer and longer. Words will disappear from your consciousness. There is no desire, no ambition to be fulfilled. One is now and here. In that tranquility, in that calmness, you become aware of a luminous quality to existence.
Then the trees and the mountains and the rivers and the people are all surrounded with a subtle aura. They are all radiating life, and it is one life in different forms. The flowering of one existence in millions of forms, in millions of flowers.
THIS experience is God. And it is everybody’s birthright, because whether you know it or not you are already part of it.

By: Caroline Hitch

Caroline Hitch — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 21:48:03 +0000

Aliya,

And, thus, living in the Here and Now as you do, what is your consciousness aware of as you go through your day?

If you wish to be considered seriously and not as someone who’s merely throwing out important sounding concepts without any substantiation, you will need to come to the table with examples of such an experience. You have yet to provide even one example of what such a consciousness, without mind, would look, feel, be like. When anyone asks you for such an example, you invariably come back full of retort of what a fool they are for even asking!

Really, that is the wrong attitude to take. If you truly have something to contribute, then please have the humility to share it. Otherwise, you’re simply perceived to be blowing your horn, and that my friend indicates a real fool; i.e., someone who can’t see her own ego for all the projections she’s involved in.

So, allow me to repeat: And, thus, living in the Here and Now as you do, what is your consciousness aware of as you go through your day?

By: Aliya

Aliya — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 07:06:52 +0000

Time is neither “deep” nor shallow. Time simply is not, time is our psychology or mind projected over existence. Time is Mind or Mind is Time.
Our being however, is eternal, we are eternity. And the door to this eternity, the Golden Gate to the Kingdom of God is the present moment, the Now and Here.
It is not that “the past and the future don’t mean anything”. (Why should they mean at the first place?)
Past is no more, it is dead. That is why the mind is bound to go back in the past again and again – mind can interpret and project itself on the past as much as it wants, because mind wants to control existence. However, mind cannot control that which really is, the present. The present moment is so powerful, so full of Being, that the mind is helpless; it simply ceases to be, fades away and subsides to the power of Being.
Mind prefers Past or Future, which are not, and thus mind can model them the way it wants. Either mind projects its own limited interpretations on the past or mind projects its past memories on the future.
That is not Consciousness developing, that is covering Consciousness with mind junk. Consciousness is always Here and always Now – we just have to look at it directly, without the illusory veil of the ever pretending mind.

By: ramesh s

ramesh s — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 06:11:31 +0000

which brings us the question, is there really a present moment ? time is not still, it is a constant change, every so called present moment is becoming the past

so the only way we can be present is when we are out of our mind ( not to be confused with present condition of humankind ). in other words ,where there is no mind

By: Aliya

Aliya — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 19:08:44 +0000

Dear Tom,

I defend no thing. I simply share my own experiencing which is also the experiencing of all the enlightened beings who have ever lived or will ever live on this beautiful earth.
You however, reveal to be the specialist in categorizations, classifications, differenciations, etc. (timeless / time; traditional / next; wetness/river).
And you are right, for people of the mind identification present means nothing, all it matters is past or future, which simply are not (past is no more and future is not yet, and who knows?). But mind / ego can exist only in projecting its illusory self on that which is not. In the present moment there is no mind/ego, it ceases to be. In the present Now and Here there is only being, only awareness, only consciousness.